[CVALE] cvale Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3

Thu Mar 23 16:00:18 PST 2006

I also agree that the install fest should continue but with one suggestion.
The club should pick one distro that would be the easiest for newbies. It is
obvious that most new Linux users are using Microsoft and they are use to a
graphical environment so the linux distro chosen by the club should be one
that is as user friendly as possible. Right now I am using Ubuntu and
finding that I can do a lot with the graphical interface. It even see the
wireless name of the router and has a easy way to set up the web key. It
also has automatic updates from the Unbutu website. I know Suse is also
working hard  to make their distro user friendly.

You all are also more then welcome to continue using our tasting room for
the monthly meeting, but I do know it is out of the way, so I do suggest
that if you can find a reliable place in Stockton or Tracy I'm sure there
would be a more club members attending. The complaint I have about the
meeting is that there is no agenda and therefore very little learning going
on. I feel that that at every meeting there should be a half hour set aside
to give some basic instruction to newbies. Such as how to install programs,
or how to work with the Text Editor.

Nick

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> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:17:20 -0800
> From: Terry <terry at zinnianet.net>
> Subject: Re: [CVALE] March Installfest?
> To: cvale at cvale.org
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> ...responding and expanding upon Kristian's email...
>
> I view the monthly meeting in Salida having a dual purpose.
>   - Assist newcomers with the installation of Linux (Installfest)
>   - Assist with any member technical problems, installation or otherwise
>
> Having people volunteer to assist (hands on) with members' problems is a
> key benefit to members of CVALE.  I'd hate to see this go away.  As long
> as people are willing to share their knowledge there will probably be
> people wanting that help.  If space is becoming a problem a new location
> could be considered. (if Kristian would agree to attend :-))
>
> New installations are usually just an extentsion of the hands on
> assistance offered to any member.  As Kristian says we dont' really get
> members of the general public stopping by very often to switch to Linux
> or switch to a new distribution.
>
> We could offer publicized "Installfests" a few times a year (quarterly?)
> with the idea of pulling in new members/converts.  Advertise in
> newspaper, posters, TV, etc.  We can still install Linux on any
> newcomer's box that showed up at the monthly get together in Salida.
>
> As I've mentioned in the past, if there was organizational energy in the
> CVALE membership we could even have a once a year (Springtime?) festival
> that included presentations/demonstrations, installfest, swap meet, etc
> at a larger facility to handle the participants.  It takes work however.
>
> Another alternative is to do what we're doing already.  A few guys/gals
> that like Linux and get together twice a month to talk about and play
> with Linux.  Minimal organizational effort is required.
>
> Several technical people in Tracy (not CVALE members) have talked to me
> about starting a LUG in Tracy.  This is a possibility considering the
> tremendous population growth in Tracy over the last 10 years.  At
> several of the CVALE meetings in Modesto more than 50% of the attendees
> were from Tracy.  I don't like to subdivide the small Linux community in
> our Tracy/Manteca/Stockton/Modesto area into even smaller groups but
> there may be "new blood" with a LUG meeting in Tracy or even in Stockton
> again.
>
> For some members driving to another city for a meeting is a factor and
> prevents them from attending.  For others (like those of use who drive
> 90 minutes roundtrip for each CVALE meeting) we're motivated to attend
> and put up with the driving time.  Another factor in meeting attendance
> is the content (or lack of content) of the meetings.
>
> It would be nice to keep the small Linux community of our nearby cities
> together.  It would also be nice to have meetings closer to where the
> members live.  Rotating locations was rejected in the past due to the
> confusion.  Perhaps this idea can be revived if organized well.
>
> However, let's not forget the meeting location problems we've had in the
> past.  Thanks to Nick and Kristian that hasn't been a problem for a long
> time. We shouldn't discard the value of having stable locations for
> meetings and workshops/installfests.
>
> Terry
>
> (So Kristian asks a simple question about the installfests and I use it
> to question how our club functions.)
>
> -------------------
>
> Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > Hey CVALE'rs,
> >
> > How are we feeling about the upcoming installfest?  We still have plenty
> > of bandwidth here, but not a lot of space.  With the lack of an active
> > president/activity coordinator/etc. (no offense to anyone who currently
> > "holds" one of those positions, I completely understand), there doesn't
> > seem to be much enthusiasm for the installfests.  I haven't seen a new
> > face in quite some time.
> >
> > I'm happy to continue making our office available for the installfests.
> > That said, what do you guys think about it?  Do you think we can revive
> > the installfest, or has it become obsolete?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 13:02:31 -0800
> From: "Dennis Baker" <mtbogre at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [CVALE] March Installfest?
> To: cvale at cvale.org, terry at zinnianet.net
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> Well I for one would probably start going back to meetings if they were a
> little closer.  I also think Patrick stopped going to meetings because
> they
> were so far away (plus he had a baby).  The place in Lathrop was great for
> being central but it had it's disadvantages as well,  I think the meetings
> are in Salida/ Modesto because that's where we had a meeting place.
>
> Not much value added there.  just me rambling again.
>
> On 3/22/06, Terry <terry at zinnianet.net> wrote:
> >
> > ...responding and expanding upon Kristian's email...
> >
> > I view the monthly meeting in Salida having a dual purpose.
> >   - Assist newcomers with the installation of Linux (Installfest)
> >   - Assist with any member technical problems, installation or otherwise
> >
> > Having people volunteer to assist (hands on) with members' problems is a
> > key benefit to members of CVALE.  I'd hate to see this go away.  As long
> > as people are willing to share their knowledge there will probably be
> > people wanting that help.  If space is becoming a problem a new location
> > could be considered. (if Kristian would agree to attend :-))
> >
> > New installations are usually just an extentsion of the hands on
> > assistance offered to any member.  As Kristian says we dont' really get
> > members of the general public stopping by very often to switch to Linux
> > or switch to a new distribution.
> >
> > We could offer publicized "Installfests" a few times a year (quarterly?)
> > with the idea of pulling in new members/converts.  Advertise in
> > newspaper, posters, TV, etc.  We can still install Linux on any
> > newcomer's box that showed up at the monthly get together in Salida.
> >
> > As I've mentioned in the past, if there was organizational energy in the
> > CVALE membership we could even have a once a year (Springtime?) festival
> > that included presentations/demonstrations, installfest, swap meet, etc
> > at a larger facility to handle the participants.  It takes work however.
> >
> > Another alternative is to do what we're doing already.  A few guys/gals
> > that like Linux and get together twice a month to talk about and play
> > with Linux.  Minimal organizational effort is required.
> >
> > Several technical people in Tracy (not CVALE members) have talked to me
> > about starting a LUG in Tracy.  This is a possibility considering the
> > tremendous population growth in Tracy over the last 10 years.  At
> > several of the CVALE meetings in Modesto more than 50% of the attendees
> > were from Tracy.  I don't like to subdivide the small Linux community in
> > our Tracy/Manteca/Stockton/Modesto area into even smaller groups but
> > there may be "new blood" with a LUG meeting in Tracy or even in Stockton
> > again.
> >
> > For some members driving to another city for a meeting is a factor and
> > prevents them from attending.  For others (like those of use who drive
> > 90 minutes roundtrip for each CVALE meeting) we're motivated to attend
> > and put up with the driving time.  Another factor in meeting attendance
> > is the content (or lack of content) of the meetings.
> >
> > It would be nice to keep the small Linux community of our nearby cities
> > together.  It would also be nice to have meetings closer to where the
> > members live.  Rotating locations was rejected in the past due to the
> > confusion.  Perhaps this idea can be revived if organized well.
> >
> > However, let's not forget the meeting location problems we've had in the
> > past.  Thanks to Nick and Kristian that hasn't been a problem for a long
> > time. We shouldn't discard the value of having stable locations for
> > meetings and workshops/installfests.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > (So Kristian asks a simple question about the installfests and I use it
> > to question how our club functions.)
> >
> > -------------------
> >
> > Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > > Hey CVALE'rs,
> > >
> > > How are we feeling about the upcoming installfest?  We still have
> plenty
> > > of bandwidth here, but not a lot of space.  With the lack of an active
> > > president/activity coordinator/etc. (no offense to anyone who
> currently
> > > "holds" one of those positions, I completely understand), there
> doesn't
> > > seem to be much enthusiasm for the installfests.  I haven't seen a new
> > > face in quite some time.
> > >
> > > I'm happy to continue making our office available for the
> installfests.
> > > That said, what do you guys think about it?  Do you think we can
> revive
> > > the installfest, or has it become obsolete?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > -Kristian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > cvale mailing list
> > > cvale at lists.fire2wire.com
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> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 08:55:17 -0800
> From: "Landon Blake" <lblake at ksninc.com>
> Subject: Re: [CVALE] March Installfest?
> To: <cvale at cvale.org>,  <terry at zinnianet.net>
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> I'd like to add a few comments that might be helpful.
>
> First of all, I want to let everyone know how instrumental the
> installfest was in my becoming a successful Linux user. Had I not had
> that help with my hard drive installation on my first Linux machine I
> don't think I would've gotten started. (Or it would've taken me a lot
> longer.) I know installing a new hard drive and copying over a Linux
> operating system is simple for the experts, but that would've been a
> nightmare for me to accomplish solo.
>
> CVALE has really been invaluable in my ability to adopt Linux. I now
> have a Linux computer running at home and at work. Although I may not
> ever be completely freed from Microsoft, I use one of my Linux boxes
> everyday. There were many technical hurdles you guys have helped me
> overcome.
>
> Although I've only ever been to one :], I'd hate to see the installfest
> go away. It is good to know that I can drive down to Modesto if I just
> can't get something working on my own.
>
> Terry mentioned a more "public" installfest. I think this would be a
> great idea. It would provide an opportunity to introduce local
> businesses to the benefits of Linux. We might even be able to get some
> Linux Vendors to participate. Perhaps a local technology convention or
> other festival would provide a good opportunity for this type of thing.
> I would gladly volunteer some time to man a booth, help with set-up and
> tear down... I feel I owe that much to you guys.
>
> I also think some more structured content at the meetings might be a
> good idea. I don't know much about Linux, but I could do something
> simple about bash scripting or highlight one of my favorite Linux
> applications.
>
> Landon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cvale-bounces at lists.fire2wire.com
> [mailto:cvale-bounces at lists.fire2wire.com] On Behalf Of Terry
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:17 PM
> To: cvale at cvale.org
> Subject: Re: [CVALE] March Installfest?
>
> ...responding and expanding upon Kristian's email...
>
> I view the monthly meeting in Salida having a dual purpose.
>   - Assist newcomers with the installation of Linux (Installfest)
>   - Assist with any member technical problems, installation or otherwise
>
> Having people volunteer to assist (hands on) with members' problems is a
>
> key benefit to members of CVALE.  I'd hate to see this go away.  As long
>
> as people are willing to share their knowledge there will probably be
> people wanting that help.  If space is becoming a problem a new location
>
> could be considered. (if Kristian would agree to attend :-))
>
> New installations are usually just an extentsion of the hands on
> assistance offered to any member.  As Kristian says we dont' really get
> members of the general public stopping by very often to switch to Linux
> or switch to a new distribution.
>
> We could offer publicized "Installfests" a few times a year (quarterly?)
>
> with the idea of pulling in new members/converts.  Advertise in
> newspaper, posters, TV, etc.  We can still install Linux on any
> newcomer's box that showed up at the monthly get together in Salida.
>
> As I've mentioned in the past, if there was organizational energy in the
>
> CVALE membership we could even have a once a year (Springtime?) festival
>
> that included presentations/demonstrations, installfest, swap meet, etc
> at a larger facility to handle the participants.  It takes work however.
>
> Another alternative is to do what we're doing already.  A few guys/gals
> that like Linux and get together twice a month to talk about and play
> with Linux.  Minimal organizational effort is required.
>
> Several technical people in Tracy (not CVALE members) have talked to me
> about starting a LUG in Tracy.  This is a possibility considering the
> tremendous population growth in Tracy over the last 10 years.  At
> several of the CVALE meetings in Modesto more than 50% of the attendees
> were from Tracy.  I don't like to subdivide the small Linux community in
>
> our Tracy/Manteca/Stockton/Modesto area into even smaller groups but
> there may be "new blood" with a LUG meeting in Tracy or even in Stockton
>
> again.
>
> For some members driving to another city for a meeting is a factor and
> prevents them from attending.  For others (like those of use who drive
> 90 minutes roundtrip for each CVALE meeting) we're motivated to attend
> and put up with the driving time.  Another factor in meeting attendance
> is the content (or lack of content) of the meetings.
>
> It would be nice to keep the small Linux community of our nearby cities
> together.  It would also be nice to have meetings closer to where the
> members live.  Rotating locations was rejected in the past due to the
> confusion.  Perhaps this idea can be revived if organized well.
>
> However, let's not forget the meeting location problems we've had in the
>
> past.  Thanks to Nick and Kristian that hasn't been a problem for a long
>
> time. We shouldn't discard the value of having stable locations for
> meetings and workshops/installfests.
>
> Terry
>
> (So Kristian asks a simple question about the installfests and I use it
> to question how our club functions.)
>
> -------------------
>
> Kristian Hoffmann wrote:
> > Hey CVALE'rs,
> >
> > How are we feeling about the upcoming installfest?  We still have
> plenty
> > of bandwidth here, but not a lot of space.  With the lack of an active
> > president/activity coordinator/etc. (no offense to anyone who
> currently
> > "holds" one of those positions, I completely understand), there
> doesn't
> > seem to be much enthusiasm for the installfests.  I haven't seen a new
> > face in quite some time.
> >
> > I'm happy to continue making our office available for the
> installfests.
> > That said, what do you guys think about it?  Do you think we can
> revive
> > the installfest, or has it become obsolete?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > -Kristian
> >
> >
> >
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